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SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE

COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

ONE HUNDRED EIGHTH CONGRESS
FIRST SESSION

SUBCOMMITTEE ON DEFENSE

JERRY LEWIS, California, Chairman

C. W. BILL YOUNG, Florida
DAVID L. HOBSON, Ohio
HENRY BONILLA, Texas

GEORGE R. NETHERCUTT, JR., Washington
RANDY "DUKE” CUNNINGHAM, California
RODNEY P. FRELINGHUYSEN, New Jersey
TODD TIAHRT, Kansas

ROGER F. WICKER, Mississippi

JOHN P. MURTHA, Pennsylvania
NORMAN D. DICKS, Washington
MARTIN OLAV SABO, Minnesota
PETER J. VISCLOSKY, Indiana
JAMES P. MORAN, Virginia

NOTE: Under Committee Rules, Mr. Young, as Chairman of the Full Committee, and Mr. Obey, as Ranking
Minority Member of the Full Committee, are authorized to sit as Members of all Subcommittees.

KEVIN M. ROPER, ALICIA JONES, GREGORY J. WALTERS, DOUG GREGORY, PAUL W. JUOLA,
STEVEN D. NIXON, BETSY PHILLIPS, PAUL D. TERRY, GREG LANKLER,

KRIS M. MALLARD, JOHN G. SHANK, and SARAH E. YOUNG, Staff Assistants
SHERRY L. YOUNG and CLELIA M. ALVARADO, Administrative Aides

PART 1

Secretary and Chief of Staff of the Army

Secretary of the Navy, Chief of Naval Operations, and
Commandant of the Marine Corps

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DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE APPROPRIATIONS

FOR 2004

HEARINGS

BEFORE A

SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE

COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

ONE HUNDRED EIGHTH CONGRESS
FIRST SESSION

SUBCOMMITTEE ON DEFENSE

JERRY LEWIS, California, Chairman

C. W. BILL YOUNG, Florida
DAVID L. HOBSON, Ohio
HENRY BONILLA, Texas

GEORGE R. NETHERCUTT, JR., Washington
RANDY “DUKE” CUNNINGHAM, California
RODNEY P. FRELINGHUYSEN, New Jersey
TODD TIAHRT, Kansas

ROGER F. WICKER, Mississippi

JOHN P. MURTHA, Pennsylvania
NORMAN D. DICKS, Washington
MARTIN OLAV SABO, Minnesota
PETER J. VISCLOSKY, Indiana
JAMES P. MORAN, Virginia

NOTE: Under Committee Rules, Mr. Young, as Chairman of the Full Committee, and Mr. Obey, as Ranking Minority Member of the Full Committee, are authorized to sit as Members of all Subcommittees.

KEVIN M. ROPER, ALICIA JONES, GREGORY J. WALTERS, DOUG GREGORY, PAUL W. JUOLA,
STEVEN D. NIXON, BETSY PHILLIPS, PAUL D. TERRY, GREG LANKLER,

KRIS M. MALLARD, JOHN G. SHANK, and SARAH E. YOUNG, Staff Assistants
SHERRY L. YOUNG and CLELIA M. ALVARADO, Administrative Aides

PART 1

Secretary and Chief of Staff of the Army

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Secretary of the Navy, Chief of Naval Operations, and
Commandant of the Marine Corps

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Secretary and Chief of Staff of the Air Force
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COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS

RALPH REGULA, Ohio

C. W. BILL YOUNG, Florida, Chairman

JERRY LEWIS, California

HAROLD ROGERS, Kentucky
FRANK R. WOLF, Virginia

JIM KOLBE, Arizona

JAMES T. WALSH, New York

CHARLES H. TAYLOR, North Carolina
DAVID L. HOBSON, Ohio

ERNEST J. ISTOOK, JR., Oklahoma

HENRY BONILLA, Texas

JOE KNOLLENBERG, Michigan
JACK KINGSTON, Georgia

RODNEY P. FRELINGHUYSEN, New Jersey
ROGER F. WICKER, Mississippi

GEORGE R. NETHERCUTT, JR., Washington RANDY "DUKE" CUNNINGHAM, California

TODD TIAHRT, Kansas

ZACH WAMP, Tennessee

TOM LATHAM, Iowa

ANNE M. NORTHUP, Kentucky
ROBERT B. ADERHOLT, Alabama
JO ANN EMERSON, Missouri
KAY GRANGER, Texas

JOHN E. PETERSON, Pennsylvania
VIRGIL H. GOODE, JR., Virginia
JOHN T. DOOLITTLE, California
RAY LAHOOD, Illinois

JOHN E. SWEENEY, New York
DAVID VITTER, Louisiana
DON SHERWOOD, Pennsylvania
DAVE WELDON, Florida
MICHAEL K. SIMPSON, Idaho

JOHN ABNEY CULBERSON, Texas
MARK STEVEN KIRK, Illinois

ANDER CRENSHAW, Florida

DAVID R. OBEY, Wisconsin
JOHN P. MURTHA, Pennsylvania
NORMAN D. DICKS, Washington
MARTIN OLAV SABO, Minnesota
STENY H. HOYER, Maryland

ALAN B. MOLLOHAN, West Virginia
MARCY KAPTUR, Ohio

PETER J. VISCLOSKY, Indiana
NITĄ M. LOWEY, New York
JOSE E. SERRANO, New York
ROSA L. DELAURO, Connecticut
JAMES P. MORAN, Virginia

JOHN W. OLVER, Massachusetts
ED PASTOR, Arizona

DAVID E. PRICE, North Carolina

CHET EDWARDS, Texas

ROBERT E. "BUD" CRAMER, JR., Alabama
PATRICK J. KENNEDY, Rhode Island

JAMES E. CLYBURN, South Carolina
MAURICE D. HINCHEY, New York

LUCILLE ROYBAL-ALLARD, California
SAM FARR, California

JESSE L. JACKSON, JR., Illinois
CAROLYN C. KILPATRICK, Michigan
ALLEN BOYD, Florida

CHAKA FATTAH, Pennsylvania

STEVEN R. ROTHMAN, New Jersey
SANFORD D. BISHOP, JR., Georgia
MARION BERRY, Arkansas

JAMES W. DYER, Clerk and Staff Director

DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE APPROPRIATIONS

FOR 2004

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 12, 2003.

FISCAL YEAR 2004 ARMY POSTURE

WITNESSES

HON. THOMAS E. WHITE, SECRETARY OF THE ARMY

GENERAL ERIC K. SHINSEKI, CHIEF OF STAFF, UNITED STATES ARMY

INTRODUCTION

Mr. LEWIS. The Committee will come to order.

General, I think we will begin by apologizing to both you and the Secretary for the delay in starting the hearing.

As you know, we lost some young soldiers overnight on a Black Hawk helicopter that went down. It is always painful when we lose our young people, and the members of the Committee want you to know that our hearts as well as our thoughts are with you and their families.

General SHINSEKI. Thank you.

Secretary WHITE. Thank you.

Mr. LEWIS. This afternoon the Committee welcomes the Honorable Thomas E. White, the Secretary of the Army, and General Eric K. Shinseki, Chief of Staff of the Army, as we hold an open hearing on the posture and acquisition programs of the United States Army.

Mr. Secretary, General, on behalf of the Committee I want to welcome each of you and thank you for your service in these very difficult times. I will come back to that in just a moment.

Today, we meet to hear your testimony in support of the fiscal year 2004 budget request. I would note that this budget, and those that have preceded it in recent years, continue the path of change that you and your associates in Army leadership have embraced as the challenges of this new century have become steadily more apparent. It is not an understatement to say that your efforts to rethink the Army's organization of its forces; develop different and better equipment for a more agile and responsive Army; and, above all else, to hold true to the enduring importance of people, leadership and fielding an Army that fights as it trains, those basic tenets have been right on the mark in the view of this committee and at least from this member's perspective.

We want you to know that we are deeply appreciative of the thought that has gone into this. I think your insistence on these priorities have been highly regarded and legitimately so in many a circle. In my view, as time goes on, they will be historically sig(1)

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